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Christopher Raemisch
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Sounds fun, been ages since I have done a proper race =)
Christopher Raemisch
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Cheers! :goes to watch:
Christopher Raemisch
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Quote from andybarsblade :shotglass i suggest you shut up, there is a difference between electronic and computer contolled idiot, my kettle is electric but it is not computer controlled, from wiki

A typical ABS is composed of a central electronic unit, four speed sensors (one for each wheel), and two or more hydraulic valves on the brake circuit. The electronic unit constantly monitors the rotation speed of each wheel. When it senses that any number of wheels are rotating considerably slower than the others (a condition that will bring it to lock[1]) it moves the valves to decrease the pressure on the braking circuit, effectively reducing the braking force on that wheel. The wheel(s) then turn faster and when they turn too fast, the force is reapplied. This process is repeated continuously, and this causes the characteristic pulsing feel through the brake pedal. A typical anti-lock system can apply and release braking pressure up to 20 times a second.

any mention of computers? no
so i suggest you shut up before you make yourself look stupid, im a ex mechanic and a fully qualified mechanical/electro rail engineer what do you do?

Hate to break it to ya bud but you need a computer to read sensors and decide if the ABS should activate. A simple computer, but it's still a computer.

I think you need to read up on your evo stats. You have to be getting the evo and scooby mixed up. The subaru has no controls IIRC other than ABS.


From the Evo Wiki

"Detail improvements have also been made to Mitsubishi’s own electronic all-wheel drive, to the ACD 5 + Super AYC 6 (Active Yaw Control, IE COMPUTER CONTROLLED) traction control and to the Sports ABS systems. The Lancer Evolution VIII displayed at the 2003 Tokyo Motor Show took the MR designation traditionally reserved for Mitsubishi Motors high-performance models and used first on the Galant GTO. Other parts on the MR include BBS alloy wheels, Bilstein shocks, and an aluminium roof. In the United Kingdom, many special Evolutions were introduced, which included FQ300, FQ320, FQ340, and FQ400 variants. They each came with 305, 320, 340, and 400 hp (227, 239, 254 and 298 kW), respectively. It is rumored that the 'FQ' stands for '****ing Quick'.[2][3]

"Lancer Evolution

The Lancer Evolution IX introduced in 2005 features an electronically controlled full-time four wheel drive system, which incorporates Super AYC, ACD and Sport ABS. The Super AYC is an improved version of the AYC system first introduced on the Lancer Evolution IV. Compared to the previous system it now uses a planetary gear differential that can transfer almost twice the torque between the rear wheels. Lancer Evolution IX also uses a revised AWC system that is even more pro-active than in previous generations. On the Evo VIII, the AWC system gave priority to the Sport ABS system in order to stabilise the car under heavy braking. The ACD and Super AYC modules were effectively disengaged. The AWC system has been revised so that the driving force is still controlled actively, even when the Sports ABS is operational. Through a series of high-speed bends, for example, the system will continue to control the yaw moment of the car, even if the driver is applying braking force. The car’s agility and stability are both improved, and the car responds more accurately to steering input on the entry to a corner.[23]
According to Mitsubishi, the Lancer Evolution uses its four-wheel drive system to improve the handling, rather than simply to increase traction. Super AYC acts like a limited slip differential to optimise the Lancer’s handling during hard driving. It improves cornering performance by transferring torque between the rear wheels. It also works harmoniously with the ACD, which was introduced on the Evolution VII. Mitsubishi's Sports ABS system is used to enhance the steering control during hard driving. The Sport ABS ECU uses inputs from steering angle, lateral G and vehicle speed sensors to individually apportion braking pressure to each of the four wheels.[23]"
Christopher Raemisch
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Quote from andybarsblade :there is no computer controlled gizmo's driving the car for you and personally i dont believe that you have driven an evo, and even if you have i'll bet my left arm it was'nt round a track
anyway i dont care what you think of it, if a nonce in a hairdressers car doesnt like evo's because of how they are "styled" thats only another reason for me to like them :P

Curious, how can you think that the evo has no computer controls helping keep control of the car... Lets see there is YAW control, ABS, Traction control, should I keep going? Active differential management... Where is the fun in that? Yay I just set a new laptime, oh wait I don't actually know how to drive and I rely on computer systems to 'blurr' the edge so I when I see a light on the dash I know I am going too fast.

Sorry this sounds like computer control to me.
Christopher Raemisch
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Sorry to hear your selling your rig Jack. I hope your not making a mistake and giving up the hobbies you love because you feel you must to keep someone in your life.

It's different if you honestly don't feel gaming is not a part of who you are or want to be anymore, but don't be doing this just because there is/was conflict between yourself and a significant other. You need to be 'yourself' too.
Christopher Raemisch
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I just love how people love taking the micky out of something, I agree their main point is a no brainer but what did they do over those 10 years?

Did they try to brainstorm solutions which could help with the current problem?

And I don't mean some idiot solutions like "prevent people from driving" Did they see a potential for cars to drive themselves? IIRC GM tested and proved this is possible with a convoy of vehicles in 1997 down a main interstate, normal road conditions with other drivers on the road.


Or did they do exactly as you all are trying to insinuate, that they sat on the thumbs for ten years then decided to say.... "Ohh by the way there are too many cars on the road" I highly doubt that actually happened and there was an in depth report on how to exactly deal with the problem instead of just stating the obvious that anyone driving a car can see...
Christopher Raemisch
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Quote from Bladerunner :Heard on the radio this evening...

A Japanese scientist has led a 10 year research program into the cause of traffic jams...

The conclusion?

"There are too many cars on the road"


F**K ME, the guy is a freakin' GENIUS!!!

For his NEXT trick, he is going to lead a 20 yr study into why people hate useless government-funded research.
Just glad it wasn't OUR taxes paying for this shite!

LOL Duhhhh

What else did the report delve into. There is more behind it than those simple words.
Christopher Raemisch
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Quote from zeugnimod :

I don't really know what you mean.

He was talking about ConeDodgers who have different rules than CTRA.

Ahh, makes more sense now =) I thought you were originally talking about LFS in general, sorry :ashamed:
Christopher Raemisch
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Quote from Gnomie :Sadly the dates coincide with the ones of the Belgium Sim Racing league, where I'm racing. Otherwise I'd definitely try to join this, or at least have a go and see if I'd be able to compete. But I guess you can't have it all.

You will have to look, I do believe there are other series running on other days.
Christopher Raemisch
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Quote from RudiTurbo :Guys, sign up for the eRuls!!

Only 6 drivers so far :/



You're all missing out on a fantastic opportunity! The last winners of the International ETM series won a trip to watch the monaco GP for the weekend with Hotel! There was also some Wii's that were given away Last season, who knows what happens for this season =)
Christopher Raemisch
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Quote from zeugnimod :You are right about real life (except FIA) but it doesn't matter here.

If their rules are different from real life you have to follow them when you are on the server.

It does matter. www.raceauthority.com
Christopher Raemisch
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Quote from JasonL220 :will the UK camp use the same track as international?

It will be the same schedule with the same cars IIRC, just made up of UK/Ireland drivers.

The first race should be the middle of March, there is a fee to join, but it's not much, about 4 pound 50, and it go towards a good cause =)

I don't know if there will be prizes yet though. But you have to compete in a National division to be able to run in the International Cup so it's well worth the time. Who knows, maybe people can turn this into a full time job in the near future and what better way to be prepared than to cut your teeth on some professional quality racing today!
Christopher Raemisch
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Quote from Mike Bingo :I want to race, how much is the deposit?

I don't have much at the minute, I've got the MOT due on my car and I need 2 new tyres and a service

Well since it's half of the 61pounds your looking at just over 30 =)
Christopher Raemisch
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There is a UK division this season
Christopher Raemisch
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Quote from Osco :I see, that's quite a low redline actually. I suggest you check into some pads for now, as I'm sure tristan will chime in about oil soon

Yeah the engine was built with big pistons and stroke to get a nice fat powercurve and torque curve but that cuts the redline down to that of a V8, which I am happy with because thats what I grew up driving. Nothing better to watch yourself chug up a 14degree graded hill in 5th gear at 45mph (IE less than 2k RPM) with three people in the car.

I might just go with greenstuff on the front and then use EBC's standard OEM compound for the rear will cost about 100pounds to do though...
Christopher Raemisch
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Quote from Osco :As you're on the track I suppose you'd never be around 2k rpm so it should be well spooled already. The thicker oil will be thin enough at operating temps not too affect spool in any way and give you some headroom at higher temps.

I run 10w40 in my 1.8 mx-5 (still NA) and will probably keep the same oil once I'm actually turboed.

does your car have an oil cooler?

Yeah, just before the oil filter.

Daily driving I like it when the turbo spools at 2k. I have not had to shift for a hill yet=) Max torque hits for me at 2400-4400 and anything under 3k has a slower spool than above and redline for me is 6k so it wasn't uncommon for me to be nearing 3k or slightly below 3k where the spool time can be seen on a track.
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Christopher Raemisch
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Quote from xaotik :

What happens with that method - atleast to me - is that after a while I can tell exactly when each sample is playing. It would take very long samples to actually get enough interesting randomness in there to pull the trick.



Well the exhaust model is a bit more complex than that it seems - I can hear some ring modulation happening depending on tone settings amongst other things for example.


I hear that here too. LFS syths 'sound chambers' with the intake combustion chamber and exhaust system and creates reverb, which happens in RL.

Hence why people 'tune' their exhaust in RL. The sound waves bounce back into the combustion chamber and during certain revs it will increase or decrease backpressure, effecting power output. Two strokes really see this because of their usually high revs and the usage of 'reeds' for port openings. I don't know about new two stroke engines, they may have a more sophisticated approach to valves than a flap =)
Christopher Raemisch
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Quote from Osco :I'd say go for a 10w40 oil from a decent company and not .02 quid a litre from the nearest supermarket, even if it's just for the peace of mind..

Hmm with if I had an NA car I wouldn't hesitate, but since I am running a coolant and oil cooled turbo oil viscosity effects my spool time. A thick oil will prevent my turbo from spooling as quick as it does now and I don't want to lose my 2k RPM spool =)

The spool is not such a big deal but I love my quick spool time and I don't want affect it =).

The other thing is that if I go with a higher operating temp weight I will have decreased fuel economy. I will have a tad more power though.

I don't want to go higher on operating temp weight but if I can get the cold weight closer to the op weight the oil is supposed to have less additives which is supposed to prevent the oil from breaking down.

I have also heard that a 5w XXX is much more volitile than a 10w so I will have less junk floating around in the crankcase too, hopefully extending my short fused engine a bit longer (i4, big literage, and 14psi don't make for a long lasting engine, although Dodge did lower the compression to compensate...)
Christopher Raemisch
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Quote from xaotik :Excellent, you just described synthesis - you take a "building block" as you say and change it. In LFS's case instead of using a classic oscillator generated "building block" it uses a sampled one. That's the basis of two forms of synthesis: wavetable and sample-based.

=) Yeah, LFS uses wavetable for synth =)

How exactly does sample based work? Do they have a huge sound database matrix that pulls a sound for a given rev and throttle input?

I know LFS takes a basic sound sample makes the wave, changes the amplitude and frequency depending on throttle and rev so instead of having steps in the sounds everything flows as one sine wave.

Quote from Glenn67 :Do you have any references you can link to about surface temps of tyres, because I'd sure be interested

I'll have to do some searching, once i finish my homework... I think I am going to have to ban myself from teh internet to get my reading done, it's taking forever...
Christopher Raemisch
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Quote from xaotik :From what I gather the engine sound synthesis is pretty much:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavetable

I wish it would use the same approach for the drivetrain as currently getting a clean looping-yet-interesting sample done in the size limits it has is very hard.

In my brief experience of rfactor, the sound quality (much like anything else) varies dramatically from mod to mod but they all have the common trait that the loops are clearly audible (some mods more so than others) and they sound just the same at given RPM regardless of engine-load* - of course all that is not just rfactor, but any sample-based implementation.

* in LFS I am under the impression that it doesn't - however, I just might be wrong - I never actually took time to do any measurements

No engine sounds in LFS are synthed. It takes a short sound sample as a building block and changes the wave to reflect the sound wanted for a given.

The rest of the sounds are sampled, but other than the drivetrain whirr it's not as critical as the engine sounds so that you don't get the problem like in other games that use pure samples where the sound itself doesn't alter with engine load, just the volume which is very fake indeed. It's almost like music sometimes with my 7.1 surround while playing LFS, especially when you get two cars running beside each other, makes me want to hop into my car hehe.
Christopher Raemisch
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Wilwood 570+ High temp dot3.
Christopher Raemisch
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Quote from bbman :You should try Ctrl + Shift while in F9-display some time...

Yep and they don't go up enough. Instant contact temps are supposed to be way above mass temps (someone correct me but IIRC they should be over 120c)

What more do you want for sounds? LFS IMO has one of the best sound engines around. Hit SHift+A while in a car and you can see what I mean. No smelly sampled files for LFS, everything is synthed. Graphics are not that bad, just not oversaturated like many other games which makes them look more brilliant than they actually are. There are things that could be better with the graphics but LFS is still DX8?
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Christopher Raemisch
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Well there is one issue IMO with the tire heat. When you enter a corner the instant temperatures on the contact surface are much higher than whats recorded in LFS. LFS is more taking a mass temperature, I guess you could say, and that difference will cause acceleration (either laterally or longitudinally) to behave differently, how much it makes a difference I don't know.

Personally I like the slower FZR shift =)
Christopher Raemisch
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For reasons stated in this thread http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=723216#post723216 I will not be able to confirm just yet, as much as I would like to. I need to figure out where the money is coming from...
Christopher Raemisch
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I think people need to look back at last year this time, we were lucky to hit 900 racers online, we are not double that but getting closer (1500 racers online at a time during the weekend)

This time of year has always been slow. It picks up again after school is out and the summer hits.
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